Chris Hayes: Youre right, its very empowering because I do think that when I come back to this theme of the criminal justice system being ill-equipped, which I think, you know, very much brings us to the present day like, at some level when you look at January 6th and what Donald Trump did, if its not a crime then nothing is --, Chris Hayes: -- in a non-technical and non-legal sense, right, and just like the moral force of the word "crime" like a transgression, a violation of right and wrong in the established order --. He took months and months and months, and it was very, very dangerous work because of what he was doing. Dog whistle, much? one Twitter user posted, while another wrote, Whats this? in bafflement. So to me, that's like the thing that I feel like I brought to this job that I've tried to hold on to and tried to build on, which is people are capable of absorbing any level of complexity and even obscurity if you do the work to get them there. August 14, 2022 12:13pm. Gotta to hang with my buddy today, he wrote. Chris Hayes: More of our conversation after this quick break. And thats just always going to be true. The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. Chris Hayes: And that's something that comes through in the story you're telling in a way that, I think, we really don't think enough about. As of 2021, Chris Hayes has a net worth of $5 million. Rachel Maddow: I know, but its a speech about the Jews, about the evil --, Rachel Maddow: -- of the Jews. Similarly, with the great sedition trial in 1944, which is sort of amazing that they brought it in 1944 --, Chris Hayes: Right, yes, right, right, right --, Rachel Maddow: -- given what happened in 1940 when they tried it against the Christian Front, that trial has gone down in history as a failure or as a sideshow or, in some cases, as a debacle because it wasn't a successful prosecution. Chris Hayes: OK. Once again, my great thanks to my dear friend and colleague, master of all media, Rachel Maddow. Back in August, the Hollywood Reporter and the Daily Beast reported that Maddow signed a new multi-year deal with MSNBC. I mean, so the German American Bund is --. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. Rachel Maddow: -- and were on the right side of this fight, its reductive, and facile, and not helpful. But at the same time, like, could you get a successful seditious conspiracy prosecution against Donald Trump with all the evidence we have? They were good at hitting, they were good at getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. Chris Hayes: Yeah, you do get him in, again, the kind of inter-warriors 101 --, Rachel Maddow: And also, you get him when people are sort of hyperbolically criticizing right-wing media, right? And his training is all in the clan, right. ", Chris Hayes: I have one work product. MSNBC hosts Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes warned Monday that overturning Roe v. Wade will lead to "South America style" abortion bans. The presence of a hate symbol in a picture of two liberals mugging for the camera was too much to ignore. Rachel Maddow: What did he tell you? Um Why is there a swastika behind you on the desk, Chris? The accompanying text read:. Chris Hayes: -- word for word Goebbels's speech in his newsletter. And so, we had to decide whether or not this was the enemy within. But they expected to go forward with this armed effort to stop the transfer of power in the United States. Chris Hayes: So here's the thing, so we're going to get in the topic, but what was so striking to me, and this sort of goes back to what I was trying to get at the monologue, there is just this inimitable thing. Some of it was, you know, a hostile foreign power, but a lot of it was native borne. Rachel Maddow: -- breaking news times, and there's time we have to be on call and all that stuff. So having her name --. Chris Hayes discusses All In and recent politics. Were going to fight them by trying to get our churches to be more active on this, and trying to get the police to be more aware of what were doing, and to try to get neighborhood organizations that are both aware of this and organizing against it. You get 11, you get 10. Like, you're getting the name of the senator. Chris Hayes: -- by Reverend Alson J. Smith --. I think were capable of it. Its a real party. Do you remember what it was like? 11, and Hayes' show is coming in . Some were acquitted, the rest were off in a mistrial. Rachel Maddow: -- which failed. You can get the first two episodes now wherever you get your podcasts. Rachel Maddow: -- answer whatever e-mails I need to answer that pertain to this evening, and then shutoff and not turn on again until the workday starts again. Huey Long, of course, was assassinated, which is what put an end to his political career. Chris Hayes: All right. And the same agents in the Hitler government, operating through the same channels, was doing both of those things simultaneously. with me, your host, Chris Hayes. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a great political speech. That's how FARA, which is now, like, having this new rebirth in the Trump era. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. Hosts on Today gave a vague answer to questions about the status of Hoda Kotb, whose last appearance on the show was Feb. 17. Chris Hayes got his start on television as a guest host for. The effort to replace Hayes has been complicated by three factors: First, Lack has been too busy trying to relaunch MSNBC -- and the career of Brian Williams, the former NBC Nightly News anchor . Can you imagine if former President Donald Trump said this? She writes her first lady column about how shocked she is. Not to be weird but, like, I'm very grateful to the executives at the company who said I could do this, because it means that I don't have to quit doing what I'm doing. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible. One of her new projects is Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra, a podcast all about the history of pre-World War II American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Read our editorial standards. That's kind of funny just because she was doing that. To be like, "Thank you. But on the sedition front, I said something about this on the air the other night, Im not sure it made sense to anybody who hasnt been thinking about this as intensely as I have. Rachel Maddow: James Comey, right? Rachel Maddow and new MSNBC host Chris Hayes had a candid discussion about the difficulties of their jobs on the Sunday edition of Hayes' new show, "Up." To be clear, neither host was complaining about the burden of being paid a hefty salary to host a television show about things that interested them. Rachel Maddow: Weve got fascist antisemitic thugs who are echoing the Hitler line. But no sooner did they move to New York City. And I think this first entered my consciousness in the Philip Roth book, "The Plot Against America" --, Chris Hayes: -- which is fictional, but also when you read it, it's a fictional counter-history in which Charles Lindbergh runs for president as essentially a kind of Nazi sympathizer, essentially America first. Where is the threat to walk out, to boycott, to stand on principle, by Rachel Maddow? He interviews guys on the Nazi side of the plot to say, in fact, were you working with these Americans and gets them on the record from their cells at Nuremberg saying yeah, these were the Americans who we are working with. MSNBC president Phil Griffin probably thought two Rachel Maddows would be better than one, but Hayes as lost 30% of Schultz's viewers and as Maddow's lead-in, her ratings are suffering as a result: Even Ms. Maddow's ratings tumbled sharply in May, at least partly because the network's new host at 8 p.m., Chris Hayes, has lost more than . Mark Henle - The Arizona Republic - Pool / AP, Richard Pohle - Pool - AFP / Getty Images, @bennyjohnson / Twitter screen shot; Kamil Krzaczynski / Getty Images, Svet foto / Shutterstock; @FoxNews / Twitter. And the marrying of those two things, a violent threat to overthrow the U.S. government multiple plots along those lines --, Chris Hayes: Hoarding guns, training with those guns and weapons, ordnance, I mean --. Rachel Maddow: -- it turns out that you've never heard of this guy. Tweet us with the hashtag #WITHpod, email [email protected]. Rachel Maddow: And also, is this real? And I'm hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who've done it well can give us some energy. Search us up on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. Like, over the generations actually, the people who are the worst actors in this ultra-right sphere of American politics are thieves. Journalism aside, he has authored several books, including A Colony in a Nation (2017). I mean --, Chris Hayes: -- and through time, I mean, I think thats also partly, in a weird way theres actually kind of something comforting about it insofar as a liberal democratic open society is going to face existential foes to that liberalism almost as a matter of just reality. Are you the local activist whos worried about people getting beat up outside this sort of antisemitic street meetings? And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. Are you Dorothy Thompson or Drew Pearson, one of these nationally syndicated, incredibly powerful journalists who has to decide where youre going to train your fire power? "Upon careful consideration, I have terminated my relationship with the Lincoln Project, effective immediately," Ms . Susan was like, you know, when I met you, you were a grad student who works hard. Rachel Maddow: Let's take it beyond Ernest Lundeen. And hes very, you know, honest about the fact that antisemitism was not a sin in the Catholic church --. Rachel Maddow: -- form fascist organizations even. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good country song. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? Chris Hayes: That, like, a lot of times you come in, you're talking to a spouse or a friend or a therapist, and you're, like, talking about things in your life. I mean, the siege of Stalingrad, one of the most brutal, bloody things ever to happen in human war-making --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, they don't talk about the Hitler-Stalin Pact beforehand --. Whatever is going to happen now, it's going to be coming down from that, so that was very kind. Rachel Maddow: -- they're defeated and gone. He gets on the air in the United States just after Kristallnacht, and basically says, yeah, the Jews had it coming. Chris Hayes: I mean, not to get too, like, therapy here, but there is just this is like a prime insight of therapy, right, which is like, wherever you go, there you are. Twitter users who were interested in inspecting the books that formed the backdrop to the photo noticed that when they magnified the picture, a document with a swastika on its cover was visible near Hayess right hip. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. I mean, this is --, Chris Hayes: -- stuff that is top of mind at the time, big news --. And I ended up in the weird part of American Republican Party politics where they were against the Nuremberg trials. Chris Hayes: Its enemies are everywhere, all the time. And some are doing extremely well, like at an incredibly high level, playing Major League Baseball. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. Chris Hayes: They sacrificed tremendous amount of bloodshed. By Chris Hayes? It's easier to do hard work for a long time when you like what you're doing and you like the production of it. Chris Hayes: Yeah, exactly. And I don't buy that chummy, "Thank you, my friend" from Rachel; they rarely chat and you can just cut the tension. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. The 8 p.m. MSNBC show hosted by Chris Hayes averaged a 1.4 rating in June, down slightly from a 1.5 in May. Rachel Maddow: And so I think, talking about Coughlin, I mean, his newspaper is called "Social Justice" --, Rachel Maddow: -- right? And were on the train leaving New Orleans heading towards Texas, and were growing across the Huey Long Bridge. Chris Hayes: Having to do with, like, a pro-Nazi --, Doni Holloway: World War II era in America --, Chris Hayes: Yeah. Rachel Maddow: Yes. pic.twitter.com/h6uNdmCT2q, Aldous Huxleys Ghost (@AF632) October 5, 2022, TexZeus (@vinnieoftexas_) October 4, 2022. Previous Post. Doni, do you remember what you told him? As noted by conservative commentator Todd Starnes, Hayes in the past had linked Trump supporters to the swastika. Chris Hayes: Pearl Harbor happens, the war happens. Rachel Maddow: Rachel wrote a fiction podcast? Chris Hayes: With an actual, like, handler, like a Nazi handler --. The Trump Archive, launched in January 2017, was the first such collection.. I think that our professional and civic and religious institutions can be strong but can also be heard. Chris Hayes, Washington editor for the Nation, is sitting in for Rachel Maddow tonight. The Huey Long guy who lost the Christian Front trial. They wrote their own books about it. So, but that gets only (ph) --. That's the very first words (ph) --, Chris Hayes: See, I'm doing the thing right now because we're talking about it. It's like, you could leave the job but, like, the you follows you. And the unhealthful thing about my new life is that I've lost one very healthy thing that I had, which was strict compartmentalization --, Rachel Maddow: -- which is between weekdays and weekends and --, Rachel Maddow: -- working and not working --, Chris Hayes: I say this to people all the time when they say, "Well, oh, God, it must be crazy when you go on vacation. Happy? Chris Hayes: -- its a very good compelling story. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. Is that a story about, you know, how populism and fascism and accountability can crash in ways that are very troubling in terms of the actions of the Justice Department? Rachel Maddow: Theres no such thing as todays Father Coughlin. I'm happy to read it. Rachel Maddow: Oh, the full pamphlet. Chris Hayes: Well, so let's talk about before we get to the podcast --. And then a guy named Babe Ruth comes along. So I'm glad that history is written, but there's another way to write this history rather than just saying, oh, these poor defendants, they never should have been put on trial. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. When youre not on the confines of, like, well, were liberal democracy and what should the tax rate be, but rather how should we order all of society, fascist, communist, liberal democracy, people take this very interesting --, Chris Hayes: -- ideological journeys, I mean --. Rachel Maddow: And your country will respond to you not necessarily by declaring your behavior illegal because it may not be --. Chris Hayes: A lot of people really want it, and they like it. Rachel Maddow: -- and you were working this hard. Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? He hates the bankers, which then, you know, one notch past that, right? You made me meet me half the feelings. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. . Those movements came from somewhere. Rachel Maddow: Tom Barrack, literally on trial right now --. C, organize local tolerance committees in your own neighborhood to hold street meetings and other meetings. Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. Rachel Maddow: This is a booklet about the Christian Front. Rachel Maddow: And, you know, theyre organizing rifle clubs, and its as confrontational as you can get in terms of being an overt pro-Hitler movement designed to destabilize the United States. B, you can petition your local city council and police to take action within the existing law and without violating the right of free speech against the incitements to riot from the Christian Front. I've definitely learned that I can't do everything alone and that there is no such thing as a one-man-band in this business. I haven't figured out how to work less, but I am working in a different way and I'm doing different things, and that is valuable. Like, there was a weird moment around the birth of American Holocaust denial and accountability for actual Nazis, not allegorical Nazis, but the real Nazi leadership that brought me to this moment. Chris Hayes: And they like to hear fascist rhetoric. Before she went live, the White House responded,. By James Crowley On 11/20/20 at 11:13 AM EST. One of the defendants wrote a book about it. I mean, what I do think about is not assuming that anybody knows anything, but also expecting that everybody can go everywhere, right. 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