They still fall back to the limp wrist and ammo excuses. I love this gun for the price, and just because its not made by Glock means nothing to me. (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). For 2022, the Roughneck will be available in a recoil-friendly .380 ACP. I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . You can buy 1911s now. capacity. He talks about having to yank the Mag. Thats a problem for a pocket gun. Thanks for your post. Note that I said voted and not have ever even touched the gun at a pawn shop, let alone fired it.. I have a brand new Cobra that has never fired a shot ! :p. People generally avoid spam masquerading as journalism. Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. Sorry, with all due respect to Mr Henson, I wish you the best of luck, and while I see how this might help some buyers sort from the thousands of gun models, its only a start. How so? The trigger is long and has some over travel but its very smooth. The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. What a joke. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. The .380 ACP is not a powerhouse, but its often enough. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. TCP and P3AT triggers were clearly worlds better than it. My son made sure I carried a SW9VE for daily use. Arguably one of the best and most popular pocket pistols, the pf9, was not on the spreadsheet. Three weeks before it was even released. No problems what so ever. There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. You also do not understand how to use the mag release or what it is intended for. So there. It went on to launch a revolution of micro .380 handguns. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. Its fun to shoot really, PS: visited the site again, feeling slightly guilty for harping on the polling validity-. I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. I have SCCY CPX2 Best gun ever Just keep it clean 400 rounds down range 400 rounds on target Ill bet my life on my cpx2. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. Nice little write up- and way to plug your site. Nope. They fall apart with any kink of volume down range. That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic Got over 1000 rounds through it, and no problems. But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. (3) Often in the comment sections of user reviews online, you see stuff being dinged a star or two from superfluous stuff. And for sure never shot one. they do have a 200 round break in that they tell you to expect possible fails also. And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. No problems when used within its limits. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. The Hellcat II was cheap when purchased new, and you can find one used for around $100. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. I love mine(CPX 2,no safety) Best carry gun for your dollar bar none. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. As a long, and I do mean long time P3AT owner, you must be one of those anti Keltec trolls that hated them from the start. Oh, it fits my hand great too. My SCCY CPX-2 has been absolutely accurate with never a malfunction of any kind. To send it back would cost to much and the internet dealer would not stand behind it !! I limited this list to the bottom six guns to reduce room for disagreement and keep it simple. None. Or do you just sit around Mommies basement pretending to be a gun commando? One now has over 4,000 rounds of flawless ammo down range the other now over 1500 and have never broken a firing pin. His comment about the mag release tell xme his knowledge of the Beretta Pico is limited to picking one up at the most. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. Only drawback is the 2D trigger. Im not saying every single person who votes needs to leave a full, detailed review, but encouraging people to at least leave a couple pros/cons would be most helpful. I live in Utah, so in the wintertime its a very high probability that Ill be wearing some type of glove. I. WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! I will say they like Ruger and a few other vendors copied Kel-Tec once again as this thing look like a P11. Snicker. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. A lot of those people who diss these guns are those that run hollowpoints or high pressure rounds. And worst and I do mean worst of all is the Magazine release, which might be the most poorly placed, poorly designed and impossible mag release on any gun ive ever handled. Kahr P380 is the definitive pocket gun. Yep and they give AKs a bad name with how terrible theirs are. I just hated the trigger. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! what a waste of time. A number of guns you have to shoot 400 rounds or so to exercise the gun so it will never jam as long as it is cleaned and oiled. Or has been suggested earlier you can just go snub nosed revolver. No aluminum. Actually if the SCCY is on here then the Mill Pro G2 should be also, and that gun is a trainwreck compared to the SCCY. Each of these guns has a lightweight, compact design making them ideal for concealed carry. It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. My other gun is a Beretta PX4. around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. Aside from the problems others have mentioned, the thing is slippery as hell. its a good resource with a lot of basic info on a LOT of handguns, a good start for anyone looking at a first gun, for example, or a second, for that matter. Keltec P-11 listed as 10+1 on THEIR website. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. Thats what made my wife choose a Sig P238, which I carry occasionally. Its that bad. i used to own a keltec p11. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. Never had a malfunction, easy to shoot, accurate, and good looking whats not to like? You have not spoken to anyone that has something positive to say about the Pico? Once in a great while, a firearm becomes so popular that it becomes a cultural icon. Keltec P11 will take S&W 669 mags10,15,20 rounders..just like the Marlin Camp Rifle.. Slicked up and did a Golden Loki Fluff & Buff on my Kel-Tec P3AT after I bought it years ago. Only time I tried one I did not like it. Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. Very small would suggest either real fanboys or real haters. Stainless steel through out the gun. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. I put the new glock style slide release on mine and it is a little slimmer now. SRP: $269. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. And just recently bought my Third Pico. Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? Recently we exchanged and shot each others weapon, I have a Taurus LCP 380. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. Built like a tank. Sure just My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. But, in real life event, the trigger want matter. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. We saw your review and write up. http://virtualchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/unicorn.jpg. For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? When it comes to a worst list omitting anything made by Kel Tec is a mistake. Like others, I am a bit surprised by the poor showing of the Beretta. Funny mine have always worked. I shoot a lot of pocket guns. The biggest improvement, by far, is the trigger pull. And surely have not shot one or very little. Whatever-everything else pops inand their FB page is odd too. I have two of the Picos. Even the author of this article merely speculates, at times, as to why the readers voted as they did. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. I just cant see myself ever paying for a gun called SuCCY! 6. This gun is budget-friendly and chambered substantially (9mm). Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. Even a novice can see the better build quality of the Pico. Wouldnt take much time for an employee or contractor of one of these manufacturers to buff up the ratings, or down rate a competitor. like any gun it can have its issues so can the SCCY but if you really look at it, compact light and Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. IT is NOT stiff at all. I challange anyone to break down the Pico and compare all parts to any of the Aluminum Chassis Pocket guns. Shooting (And Finally Breaking) the SCCY CPX-2: http://youtu.be/YzYm_CqMZG8. Funny. As in best gun LOL. Remarkable build quality. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. This gun looks a whole lot like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P-3AT. Do they now have 12 round mags? Guess what? Hellcat 380. I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. Not cheap, but beautifully crafted. Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. Prohibition: Why It Wouldnt Work Any Better With Guns Than It Did With Alcohol, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations. Ruger LCP Max 2. BUT! I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. Both the front and rear sights are black which can make it difficult to see them if you are aiming against a dark background. The reason I hated it was they are DAO and the trigger pull was a mile long, i found my self pulling the trigger again before it reset. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. Ive been averaging one light hammer strike every magazine or two, that requires a second pull of the trigger to ignite, regardless of ammo brand. No issue with it. Its definitely not perfect but it is far from the worst gun Ive owned. Anyway, all just my opinion here. Check out the 380 showdown in GunWorldin 2012all 3 Keltecs broke and wouldnt run right. I dont see it. If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. Have you ever even shot one? Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. And of course, they criticize all the brands that dont advertise with them. One thing that was not improved over the original LCP, however, is the sights. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. NOPE! All these tacticool wannabes on here think theyre special. Tiny, safety features, serious calibers, etc. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? Just being a bashing b**** , gets you nowhere. I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. Have you put more than a box through it? Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. lol Damon really? Keep the .4 calibers to compact, mid, or full-size. You can get these on line at times for Bersa Thunder 5. Why people follow them is a mystery. While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. Not sure why the Sccy is on this list, I own a cpx2 and its great! He didnt even require them to be positive. The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. George have you tried a different ammo brand? An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. Sig without question is the "Caddilac". I actually have the cm9 and cw380 both and never an issue with either one. Take down the Pico. The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. Super gun, works every time. Granted, .380 pocket autos are not guns that you take to the range for fun. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. It feels good in the hand and the materials and workmanship are fine. Thats a lot! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. My old PPK/s doesnt like Blazer alum. It is a small barrel gun NOT a target gun. 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