I would love to hear your answers to them. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. May be the guy who says he did it. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. Why does the blogger not clarify this? It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. No. Q. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. Flash-forward to the present day. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. #corrupt. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. They were the small sacrifices. It does not get any bigger than this. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Everyone in the world can believe something. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? (He WAS shot in the back remember). It was the story of Diane Downs. Thats the point. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. She said She did it. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. I do not post rude comments. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. Any thoughts on that? The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. A. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. Q. I didnt know that. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. Not even the gun. Nearly every point you make here was addressed and disproved or not even allowed into evidence. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. Cathleen was murdered in Feb. 1982 in her home in Brighton. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Q. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. It is not a run of the mill case. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. You read a few comments. She took care of herself not her children. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. They felt safe there. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. I will change it. It is because she is a high profile person. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. Diane downs. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. Because she seemed "aloof". It was faulty. Did u learn nothing?? Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. Great question. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. It was flawed. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. Something that would never stand in court now. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. They should have left her alone. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. At the very least, she should have been released by now. I say these things if I were on the jury. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Then they just got shut out. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies,I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. We make them president!!!! Every single one of these questions matter. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? She did it. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. This does not make her innocent. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. It always feels like punishment at all costs. After all, she was conditioned this way. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. But you are right to say that it is my site. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. Is Diane really a threat anymore? But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. Like in their movies. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. Mr. That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. It sounds pretty fair to me. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. Diane had siblings and parents. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? They would have tried to reopen the case. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. She s. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. I will not remove anything. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. 4. Its a rather large part of the story. The Six Degrees of Separation of Nancy Grace, Kelli Stapleton- A Mother's Wuthering Woes, http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story, http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf, http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html, http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228, https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives, Say Her Name But Spell It Right The Tale of Breonna Taylor, And Justice For All The Watts Family Murders, Babe in the Woods & Big Country The Murder of Nicole Vanderheyden, Colonel Russell Williams Where Have You Been? 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